Ok, I was this show and the Greek shows in 85. The Greek Cryptical->Other One->Cryptical was way more intense and longer, plus it was the bust out at the Greeks, and the start of the twenty anniversary tour, and, and it was after a huge long Scarlet->Fire->Samson. The Starlight Cryptical was indeed sloppy, Jerry flubbed some of the lyrics, and the Other One barely hit 7 minutes, but it was cool to see the suite as a set 2 opener, to be followed by Eyes, rushed and sloppy...Comes a Time was great here..Set 1 Starlight was ok/pretty fun and fast, they threw up a great set list and called it a night. 3-4 star...

Doug Oade calls this their 3rd best recording in the "This is all a dream we dreamed" book. Unfortunately he doesn't specify the exact dates of his #1 and #2 picks. But he was talking about the great acoustics at Red Rocks and Frost before he mentioned this recording.

BBurns: it may have been the last time the "suite" was played but you are dead wrong on the first time in over a decade. Go look at the 6/16/85 set list for the second set.
Cryptical-->TOO-->Cryptical before drums. All together in one suite. The rest of the Cryptical's they either didn't finish the suite or finsished it later, until this show. This was the 2nd time the "suite" was played this year, not the first...go look it up. Bburns you ARE wrong...look it up. It was the whole That's It For The Other One Suite on 6-16-85, not just Cryptical--> The Other One. I was there and I could never forget it. This was the last time they played the suite this way, but not the first, that was 6-16-85, go check it out.

Hey Now! The gr8 thing about the Dead was they were humble and human, missing chords, making mistakes and flubbing lines. What you all have to remember is we can all be human, some one is wrong here, although some one is correct: Starlight was the first and last time they played it that way! Huh!
I was @ Greeks '85, have listened to this rendition and Greeks Cryptical each on several occassions. @ the Greeks they DEFINTELY play Cryptical > Other 1 > Cryptical... And, it was Waaay better than Starlight.
Also, regardless of how good Starlight '85 was, has anyone cared to look at the time sequence. The Dead played a VERY short show, even by '85 standards. This show sounds like they really wanted to end the tour and go home.

@Sedula - Read carefully what I wrote. It was the last time the "suite" was played (i.e. Cryptical>The Other One>Cryptical. You may have seen "a" Cryptical @ the Greek, but it was the first time in over a decade that this configuration of the songs was played and the last time ever played this way. That decade is what it has to do with forgetting the lines (admittedly along with other 'mitigating factors' in JG's life at the time). It's called rust, and as we all know, rust never sleeps.

RE: the elitist, what-could-possibly-be-any-good-post-'78 goober - Feh. There's no accounting for taste, and thank the Good Lord for it, too! Pax2u, fella.

That said, this show was a pretty good one (especially to actually have attended). And it was a good one by anyone's standards.

From what I've read - and I have see it in several books and articles - Jerry and the rest of the band found "Cryptical" (and "St. Stephen" from 1983) too difficult technically to perform. I am not sure if this is 100% true or not. But it does seem to be more than just Garcia who has difficulty wrapping his "energy" around this tune.

Great show. Did not attend, but remember getting the setlists from friends who said it was pretty damn good. I won't rate the show b/c I was not there. But it is another stellar show from 1985 to listen to on the tape deck or computer.

Enjoy.

Every time I read these reviews I wonder the same thing; How old is this person? It seems to me anyone who thinks, really, that anything past '77 or '78 was good obviously wasn't there for the 'whole ride'. Don't get me wrong, you can't control your age, but when you make an absurd declaration that this date or that date was the 'best ever' whatever, and the dates referred to are in the mid 80's, it's obvious to me and those of us who have been around for all of it that you are an 'In The Darker'. Anyway, may I suggest listening to nothing past Spring '78 (The Nagra's from that tour are legendary). Obviously, the band had many high points after spring '78, but collectively, this was there peak. Then, after 'In The Dark', except for small periods during certain shows, the 'In The Darkers" basically made it very hard on all of us(i.e., Deer Creek). By the way, just to furthur, no pun intended, the younger heads angst, let me add that I've seen the new band, JK's in way over his head, and the best collection I've seen since we lost Jerry was Bob's band In Ft. Myers, Fla......... By Far.

Can somebody tell me the difference between the different types of files to download? Really enjoying the first 5 opener tunes, all seem energetic and on. Love 85.

What's the difference between whole items:
64mp3 ZIP 64mb
and
VBR ZIP 200mb

One of the best TLEO ever, give it a listen.

yeah i invented that word after eatin 3 doulble dosed purple window panes and hanging out with roy who i have known for 25 years what a great fukin show!!!!!!!!! Where is roy give me a call
htis was the best venue for a dead show it reminded me of the frost or bezerkley what a great set they rocked and the heads were as high as yhey could get.

Hey tripleoncraphy...scott!!! It is me, John...drop me an email, where are you????
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What a BLAST we had at this show. I think Jerry was not happy with the results of Cryptacal, also, he walked off stage during Brent's "Idon't need love and I don't need you"
eithere he was jonsin' for another hit off the dragon, or he just did not like the measage of the song. I think this was the last real good year the Dead had, and before touch f grey took off and brought all the wanna-be's to the shows. You could still get a ticket the day of the show, and they still played small venues like this on. Maybe $7-10,000 people were here. It was a blast!
Scott golin, email me!!!!
tripleoncraphy

I'm glad to see that many others consider this one of the better shows they played over the years. I was also there. One of the things people may not remember about the Cryptical>The Other One> Cryptical suite is, that the reason Jerry probably flubbed the lines is that this was the first time they'd played the three pieces in order for about 14yrs, and it was indeed, the last time the three were played together, maybe because the experience wasn't all that positive, but I thought it was awesome. Lightning and thunderstorms threatened all around the theatre that night, and it was just stunningly beautiful. The show was truly fantastic. My best friend Dave Dog (RIP) was in the first row watching Jerry and yelling for him to sing "Every leaf is turning!" and then they did it. He was stunned.

i am scott i was with my friend santo and jon we ate all these purple 4 ways and got really off !!!!!!! i invented the word tripleonchrophy and was loving life... the boys rocked! I rate it as the one of the best shows ever behingd 10-20-84 or 6-30-84!!!!!!!!!!!

This show is a great sounding audience recording. I am a taper, and give mad props to the Oade's for this sweet sweet pull!

Great setlist, great venue and good sound, but Jerry is way to high and flubs lyrics to BRB and Cryptical. Still very much worth having.

Good show,the cryptical is good to hear. I've hear many talk about how they never should have brought this one back, but this might be one of the better versions they played.
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